Talk:Micronation
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Citation Needed on Superpowers
OK, the section currently reads
"To date it has been proposed that Scientopia, The USMR, The Republic of Petorio and possibly Ohio Empire can be considered "micronational superpowers." Historical superpowers include Sealand, Molossia, Atlantium, Talossa and many others. A micronational superpower is a micronation that is most active and has the most influence on the community. The Cheslovian Federation classifies itself as a superpower on the ground of large territory, legal and unrecognised, moderate number of citizens, many with high IQ's, a strong army, and a calm yet assertive pressence in the micronational community, but this claim has yet to be recognised. "
First, there is too much passive language Next, there are a TON of questions: Who has proposed that these nations be considered "superpowers"? Who claims that a micronation that is 'most active' and has 'the most influence in the community' is a "superpower"? What "community" is being discussed? what influence? I propose that this section be removed to the pages of the specified micronations as their own claims until we have some references and citations. EdanianMinister 20:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
A micronation will never be a "superpower", or else it would be a "macronation". =) --Cajak 22:57, 26 March 2009 (UTC)alentel
There can be. In terms of micronations, some are equivalent to superpowers. Scientopia 23:11, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Indeed, but I'd call "superpower" not a sole micronation, but many micronations together that have a strong power on micronational culture. The LoSS for example ? --Cajak 23:51, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
How?
Scientopia, how can a micronation be equivalent to a macro superpower? Economics? Physical military? Ideology? EdanianMinister 00:14, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
In my opinion, a miro superpower should be judged on the following, size and strength of its military, influence in the micronational community, and willingness for independance.--New Euro Emperor 01:17, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
New Euro Emperor- do you know of a micronation that could militarily challenge, say, the Cork, Ireland Police Force? Also, please define "influence" and "micronational community". As for 'willingness for independence" first, we're speaking of micronations; we're all pretty independently minded. Second, does that mean that micronations that join YAMOs are excluded? EdanianMinister 03:48, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I have taken the liberty of removing the "Superpower" section. It is not verifiable, it is based completely on original research and individual theory opposed to general consensus. There is no accepted consensus on defining a micronational equivilent to a macronational "superpower" and, as such, it is not appropriate to comment on such things on a major wiki article. Even though this wiki has it's own independent community of micronations not found elsewhere, it is the only remaining major English-speaking micronation wiki - as such, we need to represent the entire microworld with articles like this, not just the thoughts of micronations active here.
Ptrcancer 16:54, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Micro-Macro
Apart from Sealand, are there ANY Micro Nations who have 'ascended' to 'Heaven'/'Big UN in the sky'-macronationalism? Have any Micronations become recognised?Tibet, China, and Thailand don't count...they are listed in a Geography lesson. Bokontonian 21:29, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
This depends on your definition of micronation, places such as South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Nargorno Karabakh, Kurdistan and Transnistria could be classified as micronations, as you may know South Ossetia and Abkhazia have gained de facto independence from Georgia, but this is only recognised by Russia. However micronations such as the ones featured on this wiki may not be able to, as they do not have enough regional power. Declaring independence is very dangerous, governments will be against you, and worst, the locals who disagree with you will be against you, and may take action of their own.
If you have any more questions regarding this, please do not hesitate to ask. Kaznia2 21:43, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
How would some of the minor "true Catholic Churches" (see Wikipedia Antipopes article) be classified? Jackiespeel 17:47, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
The definition of a micronation is a declared country but not a recognized country. With this definition the USA could be classified as a micronation in its early days. The Founding Fathers declared independence, but no recognized country recognized their sovergnity.
Emperor Malum I
While religions are a "separate category of things" (? Latin 'res') given that the Vatican and the Holy See have a certain overlap in international law terms, the true Catholic Churches (whose rulers claim to be the rightful Popes) could be brought into this wiki if so desired. (I "assume the sincerity" of the persons involved btw.) Jackiespeel 21:51, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
